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>> and i have the right to petition the courts if the don't agree with a law. we are not going to all agree with every law that is passed. i don't agree with the laws that restrict contraception use now being put forth in different states around the country. i feel like those infringe on my rights as well. >> nothing infringes on your rights. >> you don't have to work at hobby lobby. economicception is an check issue for many women. >> this is about forcing the employer to give it to you for free. >> happy new. >> sean: and we continue to monitor here on the fox news channel america on the brink. the latest on the fiscal cliff. let not your heart be troubled. that is all the time we have left but greta is standing by >> the o'reilly factor is on. tonight: >> somewhat like taking your
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child hostage and saying to somebody else i'm going to shoot my child if you don't do what i want done. >> as the country moves closer to going over the fiscal cliff, the partisan rhetoric reaches new lows. can washington hammer out a deal before it's too late. the american people should be outraged at this because it is disgraceful. it is purposely misleading. >> shocking developments at the state department. the four officials supposedly out of their jobs after the benghazi terror attack reportedly still on the government payroll. how can that be? [chanting] protect the constitution. >> the liberal "new york times" says last month's election significantly weakened the tea party. is that true? we will have a debate. chanting] >> u.s.a. >> caution, you where to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now.
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>> i'm greg gutfeld in for bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us. our top story tonight, the last ditch effort to avert the fiscal cliff. president obama met with congressional leaders for several hours at the white house today to try to hammer out a deal before taxes go up on more than 160 million americans. after the meeting, the president presented a new plan to avoid the cliff and said he was modestly optimistic. >> we had a constructive meeting today. senators reid and mcconnell are discussing a potential agreement where we can get a bipartisan bill out of the senate over into the house and done in a timely fashion so that we met the december 31st deadline. given how things have been working in this town we have to actually wait and see until it actually happens. the one thing that the american people should not have to wait and see is some sort of action.
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so if we don't see an agreement between the two leaders in the senate, i expect a bill to go on the floor. and i have asked senator reid to do. this put a bill on the floor that makes sure that taxes on middle class families don't go up, that unemployment insurance is still available for 2 million people, and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. >> joining us now from capitol hill. south dakota republican senator john thune, a member of the budget committee. so, senator, what do you make of the president's plan? >> i'm just glad the president is engaged. you can't do big things in washington, d.c. without presidential leadership. that's what we haven't had. the fact that he is now owe table. better late than never i would argue. at least he is at the table presenting something that wl give us a chance hopefully to get some bipartisan support in
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the senate and perhaps get something to the house that will avert what everybody agrees is a major economic disaster. but we're still waiting for the details and obviously there is a long ways to go and this is a very -- there is going to be a tough needle to thread in order to get this done. >> see, i don't understand why the democrats think that this is an economic disaster going off the cliff since really it's just a democratic agenda. cuts to defense and higher taxes, what's not to love if you are a democrat? that's why they have been so slow to move. that's why the president is becoming concerned about the economy and ultimately his legacy. even though he can blame republicans in the short-term in the long term when they look back to this period this is going to attach to the president. is he feeling now an obligation to finally lead on this issue. and hopefully he will bring some democrats in the house and the senate along but it's going to have to be something that republicans can support. republicans are not going to a .
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and obviously so we're going to be very interested in the particulars of this as they begin to emerge. i'm just glad finally that the president is here. but to your point, it is true a lot of democrats get what they want. they get higher taxes automatically on january 1st. and they get steep cuts in the defense budget. but i will tell you what, there are an awful lot of people that would be hurt by that particularly small businesses and job creators and that's why it is so important that we do everything we can to get an outcome here that doesn't hurt jobs and the economy. >> this is, again, i don't get this. the president says he is worried about this having an impact on the economy that raising taxes on the economy would be a bad thing. is he still fighting tooth and nail to raise taxes on the successful. isn't there a contradiction there? if raising taxes on the middle class is bad? shouldn't it be really bad for the people that actually hire the middle class? >> absolutely. and it is a fragile economy,
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greg. you are right. and, two years ago the president when we had economic growth that was actually higher than it is today said we shouldn't be raising taxes in the middle of a weak economy. today here we are we still have got a fragile and weak economy. we know that raising taxes at the $250,000 threshold would hit a million small businesses who employ 25% of the workforce in this country. it would be all the analysts, all the economists say that this would be really bad for our economy. and if you look at the impact of the revenue increases. if the president gets all the tax increases he wants it funds the government next year for next a week. this is not a revenue problem it's a spending problem which is what republicans have maintained all along. >> not to psycho analyze the president he is so obsessed with the 2% he is disengaged with the bigger problem heading toward greece not thinking about spending. almost on class warfare disability. taken him kind of out of the
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argument and now he is coming back don't you think that is the problem. he is like ahab and the well and the well is the -- whale is the wealthy? >> raising taxes in punitive way on affluent people. having said that again, the people who are -- who would be hit with these tax increases are the people who create the jobs. and that impacts a lot of middle class americans. have you got a middle class americans employed by small businesses that would see their tax bills go up. that's going to be bad for the economy and bad for jobs. but, again, i think that the philosophically the president a lot of his allies up here in the congress have a very different view of the world and one which believes that the way that you improve our country and improve our society is to redescribility wealth. but the way that you improve this country and standard of living is is to grow the economy. that makes it better for everybody. that also solves a lot of these fiscal problems that the country faces right now. >> we saw a lot of
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name-calling. harry reid called boehner a dictator. i find it strange because they don't call actual dick tears dictators. they never call chavez or castro a dictator but they will call boehner a dictator. are they going to start acting like adults soon. >> the house has done their job. it's ironic to me that harry reid goes after john boehner. the house of representatives did this months ago which is when it should have been done. extended the rates. replaced the across the board cuts with responsible reductions in spending. and, yet, here the senate is pointing the finger at the house of representatives. the speaker is right to say it's up to the senate. and this is where it's going to have to happen. >> all right, senator. thanks at lot. next on the run down do both parties actually want to go over the fiscal cliff to save political face? we'll debate it the state department officials out of their jobs after the benghazi terrorist attack are reportedly still on the payroll. we have details moments away.
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>> greg: continuing with top story tonight. with days to go. both parties want it to go over the fiscal cliff in order to save face politically and strike a deal next month. will that be too late? alex stewart a republican stat gist and here in studio my favorite juan, juan williams a fox news contributor. aren't the consequences of going off the fiscal cliff all that's miss something vegan lunches. you must be giddy about going over the cliff. not me i don't want to go over the cliff. i think, you know what? i have investments. i work for a living. guess what? it would be absolutely traumatic for the global economy and recession not in the midst of a strong recovery. it's pretty weak.
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i don't think it's good news for anybody. this is something that the press doesn't pay attention to, greg. i think if obama to start a second term with everybody saying oh my gosh the ski is falling and the economy is going to hell. consumer confidence thinking that's nod goodous for democrats. how why think it's good news for democrats? >> you just sounded like a republican. >> stop, get out of here. the fiscal cliff is defense cuts and high taxes welcome to the republican party. >> rational people say that's not a good thing to do. i would hope that robert and sober behavior before new year's eve would land like an alien rocketship in washington and get these people to the table. >> greg: alice, you are sane, i believe. what do you make of this? the point i'm trying to make is why are the democrats scared of the fiscal cliff when it defines basically their ultimate dream?
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the democrats are anxious. they are embracing the fiscal cliff. we got obamaened a democrats in the conservative thunder bird ready to put the pedal to the metal on the fiscal cliff. they can raise taxes. they can cut military spending and they can blame the g.o.p. when the g.o.p. is doing the smart thing here wanted pointing the finger at the real problem, which is out of control spending. fixing this problem is not going to be easy but it's not complicated. we can't rely on raising taxes. we have to focus on cutting spending. that's what republicans are doing. even more so with geithner pointing out warning us on coming up on the debt ceiling. this goes to show we have out-of-control spending and raising taxes is not going to get us out of this mess. >> if you realize most of all most americans think you are going to need a combination of tax hikes and spending cuts. it's not just one half of the deal. this is republicans and democrats it's about 70% of americans. it's not just a one sided deal. the second thing to say is,
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you know, these guys aren't that far apart. you know, in fact, when you look how much revenue boehner has put on the table is he close to a trillion dollars he is simply saying i want a trillion dollars in spending as well. president obama is he close to the same number they are about $300 billion apart. they are 1 hers apart from this whole deal. the problem is they are not putting spending cuts on the table. what they're doing is putting proposed possible cuts but the stimulus spending they are putting on the table also offsets that tax increase that he wants. still looking at trillion-dollar deficit. that just goes to show spending cuts. right now we don't have them. talks about them and there is accounting fuzzy math going on but there is not any serious entitlement reform. we can't just wait and talk
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about that in january. needs to be included in any package before we go forward. >> you know, juan, the point she is making when we talk about spending cuts. basically a guy pulling the olives off a meat lover's pizza and saying he is on a diet. something so incidental and ignoring this huge huge problem this black hole that is spending. it's true. we are going nowhere. >> no, i disagree. you know what? >> you like picking the olives off. that's you and spending cuts. >> not only that i like it when the an chofs because then getting lot of antioxidants with my pizza and i feel good about eating the pizza even though i'm bloated. when you look at the reality. alice says the president hasn't put any spending on the table. wrong, the president has left wing face furious with him, alice, because he said we will will put the cpi, which the rate of growth of these programs, the inflation rate, we'll tie that to social
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security. we will tie it to the other entitlement programs. he has said, you know what? i think it's something like 70% of americans say people over 250,000s their taxes should go up. he is willing to negotiate up to 400,000 now. these are legitimate steps to cut spending. you can't to get to greg's point you can't cut spending all at one time like take a chop and bam, the meat house. this is not it. it would absolutely crush our economy if you did it in one fell swoop. >> the problem is like he said it needs to be a combined approach. but the problem where we are having this face off here in this staple meat in a creates piece on politico today it's called the national quill brim. strategy. they are not going to make a move. all sides know what the other side wants to doovment the truth of the matter is needs to happen this afternoon get in a room, have a conversation, have a good
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solid comprehensive way to deal with this financial mess or we are never going to get out of this. >> amen. alice and i look at. this we agree. what do you know? >> you know what disappoints me greg talks about the pizza. they are like throwing the cake at each other and adult walking in the room. there is no adult walking in the room in washington, d.c. >> america isn't going to see any difference in these parties at this point. basically they see politicians as junkies guarding the stash. that's what's happening. >> they are out of control. >> they are out of control. at least we agree on that, juan. >> yes, we do. >> greg: thank you, juan, happy alice. >> happy new year. >> greg: four state department workers relieved of their jobs in the benghazi aftermath are still on the payroll and actually be back at work soon. how can this be? later senator dianne feinstein release as gun control plan which will require a registry and fingerprints. does the proposed legislation go too far? we will debate it when the
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>> in the impact segment
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tonight, you may remember that falling the attacks in benghazi, libya, four statement department workers supposedly lost their jobs. however, there are now reports that they may just be switching desks and that the four are still getting paid by the government. this is unbelievable. the american people should be outraged at this because it is is pathetic. it's disgraceful. it is purposefully misleading it is a ruse, smoke and mirrors. this is so wrong for the state department to do. what did they do? well, it's just one more lie in a web of lies dealing with the terrorist attack and the consulate in benghazi, libya. >> greg: dig that color. with us is lt. colonel ralph peters. is this what you call failing horizontally. >> no, it's called aspirational failure. only a washington program for federal bureau democrats and senior army marine navy air force generals where the
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bigger you screw up, the more chances you will be protected and even promoted. general screws up a war, make him army chief of staff. and so on. it didn't surprise me to learn of this that there are apparentlyon the job admin. it's hard to get rid of a washington bureaucrat much easier to duck them under cover for a while and let things cool down and give them a new job, new title, maybe the same desk with a new title. the important thing right now for the administration is they don't want to irritate anybody to put it politely because this benghazi thing is still on the back burner simmering. the administration doesn't want someone to go rogue and tell the truth. >> greg: that's the primary reason why i have been fired because they are scared i may go to the press. they are worried that -- they are waiting for this story to die down the media helped it
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die down. waiting for it to be far enough away that they can breathe. that's why they are not getting rid of these employees, right? >> it is hard to get rid of them. they don't want to get rid of them, at least not now. the culture at stake is very very peculiar. largely dysfunctional. greg, i have dealt with it when i was in uniform i dealt with it over and over again. they are disdainful of the military. go back to what happened in benghazi didn't have to happen. because general carter ham head of african command had offered in late spring to leave more troops already on the ground in place in libya. the left leaning types at state and they're the left leaning types they don't like the military. they don't like militarization. and they preferred to put their thrust in local militias and thugs instead of the u.s. marine corps. what happened under the circumstances was almost
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inevitable. >> saddam's sons ran a better shop and those head injuries were real. i almost kind of admire the media for so really advocating responsibility on the story. the administration knows they can do this stuff. >> it's stunning to me. the media sometimes gets a bad rap. it's rarely as bad as accusers would allege. in this case, greg, it's as bad as the accusers allege. it's unthinkable to me that scandal that's international in proportion in which people died and the white house lied is being covered up by the establishment media or at least certainly not pursued by them. and at the same time, remember when the shoe was on the other foot in watergate when nobody died the press went after that i'm not excusing watergate. when the white house makes it up about an international embarrassment where an ambassador and three other
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americans are killed needlessly because the state department security experts screwed up wildly the and the medias said ho hum we have a lost kitten in peoria, illinois and we have to got to cover that something is wrong. >> 2% behind the wealthy in benghazi we would get the answers right await a minute the only person we have in custody is a filmmaker in california. and aclu and none of the celebrities like are going to bat for an artist who is in jail. who would think that would happen under obama? i want to talk about hillary. she is back to work next week. what do you see happening? >> well, it does appear that a group of senators determined to get to the truth are going to try to hold up senator kerry's confirmation as secretary of state to replace hillary clinton until hillary clinton comes to the hill and testifies under oath. and hillary, i don't think her
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illness was a put-on. i think she was really sick. it's going around here in d.c. but, she doesn't want to testify because she doesn't want anything staining her record for 2016. the administration doesn't want her to testify because they are afraid that under oath she'll pars things a little bit differently and keep the story alive. the bottom line for the administration is wow, we dodged a bullet. make sure they don't open fire again. the administration is just going to keep stonewalling and declining to send people to the hill. fighting requests for testimony. that's the white house equivalent of a gangster taking the fifth. >> all right. thank you concerning peters. always good to talk to you. >> my pleasure. happy new year. >> happy new year to you. we want to remind you check out bill's column on inside story marine jailed on bogus gun charges. hundreds of other papers nationwide. plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. a democratic senator proposes
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strict new regulations on guns. does it have any chance of becoming law? and, later, is the tea party movement just about finished? that's what the "new york times" says and we'll hear from both sides. we hope you stay tuned to those reports.
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>> greg: in the first factor flashback segment tonight as we have been reporting, what part of the secular progressive movement is to
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mock and destroy various traditions. in france the secular progressives are on the march targeting those who want to preserve their definition of traditional marriage. [chanting] [shouting] >> greg: obviously those weren't real nuns. is this where we are headed. bill obviously placed the question to the monica crowley and alan colmes. >> it's not just recent this stuff has been happening for decades. we saw bill ayers the entire counter cultural movement occupy wall street. van jonsz, code pink during the iraq war. this is the left. what you are seeing these are the radicals on the left. this happens all across western societies. they have one objective, bill which is disruption. it's all about tearing down and destroying so they can
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turn around and rebuild far left utopias. >> bill: isn't there difference between antiwar movement which is fairly intense and gay marriage? these are the people right now who -- look at the difference. the people who want traditional marriage, colmes, are peaceful think have their signs and trying to get their points across and they disagree. why can't they be peaceful too. >> this demonstration was actually physical violence by the anti-gay people against the people demonstrating for gay marriage. they are the ones, the anti-gay group actually physically attacked in that demonstration you showed they were the ones physically violent. >> i don't think that's true. >> reported to the "the washington post." >> bill: whoa, the "the washington post"? >> so it can't be true, right? >> bill: they are not in good shape right now. the reports that we got. >> violence came from anti-- >> bill: that's not the reports that we got. the reports we got pro-marriage, traditional marriage people demonstrated
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first. this was a counter group. the group came in a very aggressive way and most of the violence was between the group and the police. >> the violence was started by the anti-gay people. that's what happened. >> bill: that's what you think happened. >> that was what was reported. >> take a step back and take a look at the bigger picture. look at the tactics the far left has been using for decades. quoted by rahm immanuel barack obama's first chief of staff never let a good crisis to go to waste. solenski even if you have to manufacture the crisis. whether it's the vietnam war, whether it's the iraq war. whether it's being traditional values under assault. the far left will come, in disrupt, cause this kind of action. in order to get a breakdown of traditional values. because, you know what? all great powers, bill, start therein. start their demise when these social values that bring everybody together, their shared values start to deteriorate. >> let me say something about that. crumble when the the social cohesive breaks down. >> you say the far left as if there is no other kind of left.
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you always say that people like that represents everybody left of the till of the hundred. the incidents you mentioned iraq war, gay marriage, the left son the right side of history. eventually there will be gay marriage in america. >> bill: that's your opinion, of course, are their techniques correct, topless nuns? >> it's a goofy outfits. >> bill: goofy? >> other side that was violent. indeed, what happened in the united states is three states now have voted. the voters have decided they prefer gay marriage. this is a democratic process. that's now happening in the united states. people are voting for it. >> bill: in some states they vote for it and some states they don't. >> right in this past election for the first time. >> bill: you say people are voting for it and you know in north carolina and other states they voted it down and california. but you don't mention that. >> but this is because -- history is made. >> bill: now i'm going to scold you. you just told, number one, i don't think you are right about the violent protest. >> i stand by that. >> bill: i know you do. you just told the factor audience that in america people are voting for this
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like everybody has changed their mind. >>this is the first time. >> bill: you well know in california and north carolina two most recent votes voted it down. you don't say that. >> my point. for the first time ever in this past election three states voted. the voters decided they want it. conservatives say. >> bill: that's my point you come off as a a propaganda? >> that's what happened. other states in california where you had people like the former bush solicitor general ted olsen fighting for gay marriage. >> wait a minute guys. we have democratic process ways where the people can speak. states in certain states want to legalize gay marriage they can. the biggest. >> that's not true. >> the left doesn't waited for the democratic process. they come in and disrupt in order to tear down. >> you said something that isn't true. >> global socialist agenda. that's what this assault is all about. >> bill: you said something that's flat out wrong. you said people don't want gay marriage they can vote against it they haven't a the courts
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overturned it. >> bill: they don't care what they say. >> my point is that the left goes around the process in order to tear it down. >> bill: supreme court will decide gay marriage. you wait and see. >> when we come right back, a new push for stricter gun control can mean big changes for current gun owners. we will tell you how far one democratic senator wants to take things. back in a moment.
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thanks for staying with us i'm greg gutfeld in for boiler. unresolved problem segment tonight. following the newtown massacre there has been new push for gun control laws. dianne feinstein is leading the charge. >> what do you say to people who support the right to own arms that this is the camel's nose under the tent and the next thing you will be after concealed carry weapons. you will be after other kinds of gun rights? >> well, that's just not true. it wasn't true with the prior bill that was the law for 10 years. and i just think candidly that dog doesn't hunt. >> why shouldn't it be true? why wouldn't you want to go after those other laws? >> because that's not what i have done in the past and it's not what i'm doing right now. >> greg: however, senator feinstein's proposed legislation calls for fingerprinting thousands of gun owners as well as banning the sale of more than 100
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types of guns. joining us from washington larry pratt the executive director of gun owners of america. i wonder how he feels about. this in studio alexus magill jonsz executive director of the values institute progressive group. i bet you think this law is a great idea. >> oh, indeed. even though we have had a declining murder rate in the united states and even though our violent crime rate is less where people are more able to get guns and even though connecticut has the very kind of law that senator feinstein wants somehow we are to believe that her -- by the way, i got to admire her in one way. not only did she not get her semi auto ban stick the last time it went off the books. now she wants to come back with one on steroids. i wish there were people on my side of the aisle that had that kind of tenacity so senator feinstein hats off to you. >> what do you say, alexus? to me, it's not unreasonable
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to know where the guns are. i don't know i don't want eric holder to be the guy with that list. >> first of all, we know that almost 40% of guns in this country are being sold by unlicensed dealers. right? we're not getting universal background checks. things that could help us reduce crime. we're not -- 7 a% of states are also able to ignore a lot of the mental illness requirements and things that the gun lobby and people like larry are making as a case that we need to be supporting more, understanding of what is happening with the mental illness community. i think honestly, the assault weapons in general are a very small percentage of guns. you know, gun owners. and so the reality is banning them is not going to make a huge difference for people who use weapons and support the second amendment. >> what do you say, larry, not a big deal? >> the last time we tried this
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idea, the semi autos that were used in crime declined from 3% of crime to 1%. so there was a two thirds reduction in crime using these guns. but the fact of the matter is, these guns also were used by the korean merchants when the police weren't able to protect them during the los angeles riots. the same kinds of guns protected people outside of new orleans after katrina. these same kind of guns protected people in say florida after hurricanes there. and it's pretty cavalier attitude toward human safety to say that these guns are not needed or not used when, in fact, when society has come apart as it has from time to time after these disasters, they are the only way to be sure you are going to be around with your property and your life intact. >> isn't that kind of the -- i mean, a lot of this semantics. i'm not sure i know what an assault weapon is and how something becomes an assault weapon. because they all kill. so, i mean, why can't this weapon be seen as protection
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the way he is talking about it? that's what the primary use of it is for, right? >> well, look, i'm sure it is about protection and a lot of people's minds. i if i if we are really so concerned about protection. we should be investing more in our police officers. we should be investing more in people who post disasters are there and help us ready to reduce crime in a meaningful way. the 3% to 1% decline actually i think there is a study that shows almost 7% decline is very meaningful. and, for me, it's like i want to get rid of at least 1 opportunity for newtown or aurora or columbine. we don't need to talk about the percentage of the decrease. we need to create an opportunity where we are not allowing people to use assault weapons have tremendous impacts. killing multiple people at a time. >> larry, that's the real question here. does this actually, is this a symbolic act or does it actually have any real effect on preventing massacres? that's the question i'm not
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show sure it does. what is if facilitating masters is not the semiautomatic rifles. what is facilitated masters and we can see from the last 20 years and more that all of these mass shootings. these mass murders have occurred in legally gun-free zones. and newtown was the same, a school where nobody was able to have a gun, even if they had a conceal carry permit which you can get in connecticut. nobody was able to shoot back. they had to wait some 20 minutes for the police to get there that's unacceptable. that's what happens when we disarm ourselves and think well no defense is a good defense. that's a lethal deception. >> greg: this is is an interesting thing. there might actually be some common ground here where people who are for guns like larry and see people like barbara boxer are coming together about the idea of protecting schools. and that maybe the idea of a gun-free zone is ridiculous. we saw the newspaper that printed people's addresses what that did is angered people who didn't have guns
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who are now seen as vulnerable. wait a second, i want people to think i have a gun. isn't it there is a common ground here where we can decide officers, more officers in school? protect our kids the way we protect pierce morgan at cnn most antigun guy around who is surrounded by security. >> trained police officers like our soldiers and police military to have the guns. not your every day american, you know, because i think the real problem is actually it's the gun lobbists people like larry pratt candidly. >> greg: larry, you are evil. >> you are not evil, larry. the challenge is that most of these associations actually represent gun manufacturers not gun owners. when you look at even the great majority of. >> welcome to send us a check. >> when you look at the great majority the polls around gun ownership, people who own guns systematically support bans on assault weapons.
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>> all right. we have got to end on that, ms. johnson thanks so much. mr. brat thanks. what the heck just happened? a look back at the wild factor moments featuring me, greg gutfeld and bernie mcguirk. you remember him. tall guy, bald. also the "new york times" says the tea party is dying out. is that so? we'll debate it moments away.
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>> greg: in the second factor flashback segment tonight. earlier this year the factor unveiled a brand new feature called what the heck just happened starring this guy. and bernie mcguirk, acting like fools and bill just trying to keep us out of jail. here is a look back at the wildest moments. begin. >> bill: we begin with a very strange picture vice president biden getting up close and personal with a biker chic in ohio. that happened sunday and nobody can quite explain it. i thought at first gutfeld it was a promo for the tv show anarchy. is that what it is? >> sons of anarchy? i thought he was preparing for the white house christmas party. is he going to be santa. [ laughter ] i love the look on the faces of the biker. that is america looking down at him. i love bikers they are either taking teddy bears it
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hospitals or getting meth to my uncle. >> bill: one or the two. you believe it's a santa claus play. put that picture back up. this is an interesting point about the looks, mcguirk. it looks like they are red are to stab the vice president. >> if he didn't have secret service protection they would have had to scrape him off the floor. >> bill: we don't know why the vice president got up close and purge with the woman. with all due respect to her she is not exactly gisele biewn den. >> i would like to see him where the bandanna. >> see artists like bob dylan raise again the machine of pop music that inspired and informed. what artist do you feel today uphold that dra -- tradition. >> the most vibrant musical
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art perform are right now over the last 10, 15 years has been hip hop. [clearing throat] >> do they have hip hop in benghazi? first of all, i want you guys next week to get hats like that guy. >> i have one. that's actually my hat. >> sway that guy, right? >> he also took my name. i was originally sway then i changed it to curve and then to captain puddles and now i'm greg gutfeld. you know, there is is nobody at mtv. they think benghazi is a club dj. this is actually infuriating what's going on right now. >> bill: if it wasn't so absurd. >> we have -- there is this massive scandal going on. there are four people dead, and they are talking about music. it's disgusting to me. >> bill: who is sway? is this guy -- >> -- the voice of a generation. >> i'm digging the funky lid and i have a closetful of them. so next week you will see me here next week. >> bill: with the hat. >> it's not what incumbents do. it's usually what the challenger or new candidates
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go on the church with the hump or the puts with the nuts whatever it is the shut with the butt. not incumbent presidents this late in the campaign. >> here is the latest peta quote. they are going to take out a billboard that says kids, big letters, if you wouldn't eat your dog why eat a turkey? happy thanksgiving, everyone. and mcguirk you say? >> i say that, bill, you fought the good fight on the war on christmas you have to fight these giblet brain communist can't tell the difference between eating lassie and some yummy wild eyed turkey out there makes no sense. i like turkey salad and greg likes turkey [bleep]. it doesn't make any sense. we are counting on you. >> all peta wants is publicity. i can't stop them from doing anything. the poor kids, you know, there you go. and they are crying because you are carping up the turkey and they are in tears.
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come on, peta, give us a break. this is tied into meatless mondays in los angeles, gutfeld. you know l.a. pretty well, right? >> i spent time in certain places i can't recall. there is a fundamental hypocrisy with this. what if you came up with an idea called sexless saturdays. sex is every bit as harmful as meat. it can create std's the liberals would say no stay out of my bedroom. they have can jump on plate. >> bill: go the in kitchen. don't go in the bid room. >> they can invade your plate but you can't invade their bed. complete hypocrisy. >> bill: the reason they want meatless mondays in l.a. so everybody is healthier. fish, carrot. whatever. >> that is one of the motivations this is bloomberg on blow. why mondays? because of alit ration. tater tots on wednesday? take away wienerless wednesdays. it doesn't make any sense? >> bill: all i want is a
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sandwich. greg mcguirk. >> hard to believe i'm sober doing that you can catch bill and dennis miller in 2013 on their bolder fresher tour february 22nd in phoenix at the comerica theater. march 1st in los angeles at the nokia theater, april 2th he at the dar constitution hall in constitution d.c. june 1als at the theater west bury on new york's long island. details available on bill o' in a moment, has the tea party lost its influence in power? that's what the "new york times" says. we'll be back in 60 seconds.
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look obviously the tea party folks aren't out there protesting like in 2010 but
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still is tremendous influence. look at the proposal for the fiscal cliff. it was rejected. it wasn't embraced by conservatives on capitol hill and the reason why is because it doesn't meet the tea party philosophy of lower taxes and smaller government. >> what do you make of that? what you are saying is that the tea party stuck to a principal and it was more about the republican party not sticking to principles. >> the conservatives did not back boehner and his plan b. it wasn't the tea party. the tea party hasn't been discussed much with the fiscal cliff. i don't know how any one can give them credit. they lost appeal and many of their is supporters. in florida dune t down to a thd of what they had in 2010. >> they had jobs so they moved on. that is the one distraction they have is that they worked for a living unlike occupy wall street. >> they don't have the luxury to hang out and park. they have jobs and in this
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economy some working three jobs to try to feed their family. they still have influence and hold the ability to ruin a politician's career by not voting for them again. just because they are not out protesting doesn't mean they don't have influence. if they did have influence we he would have a deal right now. it is the small government low taxes preventing the deal from happening. >> they hurt the republicans into winning back the senate. influencee kind of in new they had. some idiots you can name what states they lost. reid is there thank goodness for a tea party opponent he had. >> the whole party is not looking -- they hold republicans accountable be so they don't come to capitol hill and d.c. and start raising taxes. they don't -- what they are doing. >> they are killing the parties that they are supposedly -- >> you can't be weak and kill the party at the same time,
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kathy. the new york times is saying look they are on their way out. meanwhile they are controlling a party. here is what i don't get. >> they are losing influence and weakening. that is what the article was about. they are losing influence. they had it at the time. >> some of the tea party folks. rand paul. he is a star in the conservative movement. so say they have no influence and they are dying out is false. >> i think it is wishful thinking on the "new york times" part because the conditions that brought about the party aren't going away. there is still going to be that belief that there needs to be change. >> the tea party just gave a name to a movement that was going to happen no matter what. people were not happy with the way the country was going and just jumped on to the wave that was happening. they named the wave, they didn't create the wave. >> i think we will see a resurgence. with the fiscal cliff i think we will see a resurgence of the
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tea party. >> where are they? they are not here for the fiscal cliff so where are they? >> they are working. >> i haven't seen them. >> they don't have to be out protesting. they don't have to sit in a park and do nothing and play the drums. they are out in communities doing work and calling their congressmen. you haven't seen a deal because they are holding members responsible. >> they are a concept. not a party. they are a concept. >> i find this interesting in the way the tea party is if you are on the right and believe in a principle you are seen as extreme. on the left and have a principle you are seen as courageous. leak occupy wall street which had a potpourri of principles that didn't make sense. shouldn't occupy wall street be on life support? where are they besides jail? >> exactly. >> i would call them radicals. i would call tea party members radicals. >> radicals for what trying to reduce the debt? is that some radical


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